Enrolling at Monash (LLB+BSc)

Billzene

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The handbook has a lot of self-contradictory info and can be very confusing to read. I'm quite familiar with the course requirements since I just moved into a BSci and did a lot of investigation on its course structure for my credit transfer application, but I'd recommend that you submit a course advice request form to confirm if you're enrolling in the right units. I'll aim to demystify the course requirements here:

Part A of the course is 48 credit points in total, and it consists of a level 1 sequence not forming part of your major (12 CP), compulsory maths/stats/coding unit (6 CP), SCI1000 (6 CP) and 4 level 2/3 science electives (24 CP). They don't explicitly mention that the 4 level 2/3 sci electives fall under part A, but this is inferred from the course requirement to take 60 CP of level 2/3 science units across parts A and B of your course. Since you'll take at least 6 level 2/3 science units in your major (usually 2 level 2s and 4 level 3s), that leaves the remaining 4 science units in part A of the course requirements

Long story short, you only need to do 2 level 1 science sequences, but you can definitely use your free electives to try out a 3rd sequence

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Billzene oh my goodness thank you so much! That makes a lot more sense. Another question though, with the 4 science unit level 2/3 that you take, are those including any level 2/3 elective/unit from an major, minor, or extended major (since in the handbook they give three unit options, one for level 2 and two for level 3). Also, with the 36 credit points required at level 1 for part A and B, that would include the compulsory maths and science communication units right? They also say their is a limit of no more than 10 level 1 units, but do you know if there is a limit for level 2 and 3 across the whole degree (I know 60 credit points must be met for levels 2 and 3 for the science listed units/part A and B)? Although, I guess if probably can't have a limit though. I'm just trying to ensure I know how I'll need to meet and the credit point criteria/requirements. Also thanks AngelWings too! The whole level 1 sequence stuff makes so much more sense!

Edit: Let me know if my questions don't make sense. I would have called science student services but they aren't online again until the 3rd of Jan when enrolments are due. I reckon I might fill out the form just to check my enrolment unit choices though, but all your advice is so helpful!!!!

AngelWings

_sophiestudies_ It’s pretty much as Billzene has said. You’ll have two sequences: one that will eventually fulfil Part A and another Part B (major). You don’t need a 3rd because you’ll have the other compulsory units (maths/ stats, SCI1000, 4 units of Level 2/3 electives). Since you’re doing a double degree, you’ll have less wiggle room to do a 3rd Level 1 sequence.

I would highly recommend completing the course advice form as mentioned above by Billzene and visiting your managing faculty student services for specific course advice for the Law/Sci double degree, if that’s still available in person.

Note: I completed my BSci (pre-Hons) in 2017, so might not be super updated but did two mins of research.

Keep these questions coming if you have any! It’s super confusing the first time you read any course or unit handbooks. 😀

AngelWings

_sophiestudies_ Terribly sorry for my mistake there! Let me respond to your specific situation again then, with the single BSci in mind.

AngelWings You don’t need a 3rd because you’ll have the other compulsory units (maths/ stats, SCI1000, 4 units of Level 2/3 electives). Since you’re doing a double degree, you’ll have less wiggle room to do a 3rd Level 1 sequence.

This part is incorrect for a single BSci. If you’re doing a single BSci, a 3rd first year sequence is purely optional and will be using your elective spaces as Billzene said. (I actually did 3 sequences back in my day - I took biology, chemistry and maths (MTH1020/1030), but I know plenty who did just two sequences.)

AngelWings Yes. So you’ve filled that with two science sequences (24 CP) + the two compulsory units (12 CP).

This still remains correct.

AngelWings There’s a minimum amount of Level 3 units from memory (I forget how many though), but the maximum isn’t explicitly stated. I think you’ll be limited by how many units you can take due to the other requirements (like your major) and the prerequisite units anyway (and even more so since you’re doing a law/sci double degree).

This also remains correct, except you’ll have more science units and will be limited by the course rules, course requirements and unit prerequisites.

If my memory serves me correctly, there was a rule about not being able to count prerequisites more than twice e.g. you can’t take 2 biology majors + 1 biology minor because you’d be using your first year biology units (BIO1011/1022) 3 times as your prerequisites. I don’t know if this rule still exists.

Please also see Billzene’s response above for minimum level 3 units.

_sophiestudies_ Then you’ll definitely be taking a first year biology sequence (most likely BIO1011/1022) and probably a first year chemistry sequence (likely CHM1011/1022 or CHM1051/1052) for the minors you’re interested in.

AngelWings

_sophiestudies_ Also, with the 36 credit points required at level 1 for part A and B, that would include the compulsory maths and science communication units right?

Yes. So you’ve filled that with two science sequences (24 CP) + the two compulsory units (12 CP).

_sophiestudies_ They also say their is a limit of no more than 10 level 1 units, but do you know if there is a limit for level 2 and 3 across the whole degree (I know 60 credit points must be met for levels 2 and 3 for the science listed units/part A and B)? Although, I guess if probably can't have a limit though.

There’s a minimum amount of Level 3 units from memory (I forget how many though), but the maximum isn’t explicitly stated. I think you’ll be limited by how many units you can take due to the other requirements (like your major) and the prerequisite units anyway (and even more so since you’re doing a law/sci double degree).

Out of curiosity (and only if you wish to state it, of course), which major(s)/minor(s) are you interested in?

Billzene

_sophiestudies_ The 4 level 2/3s in part A can be any science unit including those forming parts of majors/minors. Also you have to complete at least 4 level 3 science units across parts A and B of your course

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AngelWings ok cool. That makes sense. I'm currently really interested in majoring in immunology, and potentially completing a minor in pharmacology and/or biochemistry as well. Not too sure about the minors yet though, but they are areas that interest me.

Note: I'm just enrolling in the bachelor of science, not the double degree like @bluebird. Probably should have asked on a separate discussion.

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Billzene ok cool. Thank you!!!

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AngelWings ok cool. I'll give them a call about it to see if that rule still applies (might not matter too much since I love chemistry too).

Billzene

_sophiestudies_ this rule is still in effect, except there's another restriction where you can't double count units towards 2 minors, only towards 2 majors or a major and a minor

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Billzene ok cool. Are you still able to take random electives from major sequences that have the same level 1 requirements (not as a minor, just a unit as an elective)? I'm more keen on taking a range of electives at this point as apposed to taking two majors, major and minor, etc. (that might change though).

lm21074

_sophiestudies_ yes 🙂

Billzene

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Yeah you can. For example, from my biomed core units, I was able to receive credits for a full physiology minor when I moved to sci. I also received credit for GEN2041, MIC2022 and MCB2011, which are components of minors I don’t intend on completing. However, they can still contribute towards the 4 level 2/3 science units requirement in part A, or towards part C (free electives), it’s just that you can’t graduate with minors in these disciplines if you haven’t completed them

AngelWings

_sophiestudies_ Already answered above, but just wanted to add, you can do some really weird things with your degree too, depending on the way you plan things. I did the BSci (Hons) at Monash, taking an extended major in genetics (which encompassed a genetics major and a molecular biology minor), and minors in chemistry and Japanese studies (the latter is from the arts faculty!). Back when I did it, I almost took biochem as my major as you could use 2nd year genetics units as the prerequisites for biochem or genetics majors.

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Billzene and lm21074 ok cool! Thanks everyone for all the help! Much appreciated!!!

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Also, when enrolling and having to nominate an area of study (i.e. majors, minors, etc.), are you locked into that choice?

Billzene

_sophiestudies_ I’ve changed my nominations a million times already, you’re not locked in